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kaybee

if the term eventually falls into disuse there's only gonna be a splintering of the community

There's always a splintering of the community. I can only care so much anymore

tbh first i read it as comrade lol

It's a good misreading :)

8:49 PM

Comate does mean joint/with/has friend

A long kiss goodnight

There's always a splintering of the community. I can only care so much anymore

aside from the topic of actually changing the term in the first place, has this happened before?

All the time

8:52 PM

It's not even funny

8:55 PM

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8:56 PM

Usually it's over stuff like people believing if comates are people or not

if only people stopped caring about labels

Other times it's a friend group split or hidey corner

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

if only people stopped caring about labels

Sorry, I like my self-given label cocreator

if everyone did what ranger did there would be 184 terms

cheap!

compared to the already tedious 13ish

sh

if everyone did what ranger did there would be 184 terms

People basically do that. You don't have to switch if you don't want to

did you invent comate

I did! A good while ago too

8:59 PM

I didn't switch to it immediately, but I decided today I just can't take it anymore

anything specific that caused you to "not being able to take it anymore"? (edited)

that being said 'tulpa' is #metaphysics and uses a pronunciation vaguely inspired from a word used in tibet that means something that is only related to this server's stuff if you do not understand either of them, so i use headmate since it is an ancient term online and plural

I am paranoid because I feel tulpa is racist, I feel guilty every time I use it, I can't officially prove it yet, and aaaaaa that's my favorite topic damn it I say tulpa all the time fuck fuck fuck So I'm switching to comate. Even if I'm wrong screw it, I can't with that anymore

is this because you believe it's cultural appropriation and believe cultural appropriation is racist?

so, is it comatomancy?

if i posted that i would get kneecapped for silliness

A long kiss goodnight

I am paranoid because I feel tulpa is racist, I feel guilty every time I use it, I can't officially prove it yet, and aaaaaa that's my favorite topic damn it I say tulpa all the time fuck fuck fuck So I'm switching to comate. Even if I'm wrong screw it, I can't with that anymore

i'm not sure i understand, what would you be wrong about?

sh

is this because you believe it's cultural appropriation and believe cultural appropriation is racist?

No, it's because to my understanding Alexandra David-Néel got the term tulpa from a bad source just to spread her misunderstanding of Tibetan Buddhism.

so the situation is this: tulpa is: -an incorrectly localised word -meaning incorrect thing which means it's a new word describing a new thing (edited)

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Bulpamancy supremacy

I personally dont see the issue. I know the term has been associated with things like the occult in the past, but how is it rascist? I'm not very dialed in with the community (this server is my first experience talking with people in the community tbh). Even if the term has had negative connotations in the past, the best way to get over something like that is to own it and make it your own. There's countless instances of this being done (homosexual, queer, ethnicities using formerly racial slurs themselves, etc.). Personally I'd rather hang onto a defining term that is more well known and REMOVE the stigmas from it than to splinter off into fractilizing a dozen or so "new" terms that nobody in the community can really agree on. Its just gonna sever to divide people rather than bring them together imo.

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

so the situation is this: tulpa is: -an incorrectly localised word -meaning incorrect thing which means it's a new word describing a new thing (edited)

It's a formerly underutilized word that badly represents an already existing religious practice. While we don't use the term tulpa and say we're Tibetan Buddhists, we still reference that bad interpretation by using the word tulpa

Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya

I personally dont see the issue. I know the term has been associated with things like the occult in the past, but how is it rascist? I'm not very dialed in with the community (this server is my first experience talking with people in the community tbh). Even if the term has had negative connotations in the past, the best way to get over something like that is to own it and make it your own. There's countless instances of this being done (homosexual, queer, ethnicities using formerly racial slurs themselves, etc.). Personally I'd rather hang onto a defining term that is more well known and REMOVE the stigmas from it than to splinter off into fractilizing a dozen or so "new" terms that nobody in the community can really agree on. Its just gonna sever to divide people rather than bring them together imo.

We don't own the word tulpa. That's the key difference. The Tibetan Buddhists do

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9:12 PM

It's up to them to excuse that context or not

ranger how do you feel about etymology of other words?

9:13 PM

did you know 80% of words in english come from other languages?

9:13 PM

even language... from latin lingua

9:14 PM

i'm not trying to argue - i'm curious

9:14 PM

i would be more than happy if people stopped using word tulpa lol

A word coming from another language doesn't automatically make it racist. But if it's origins are racist, why use it? I found out that cakewalk is racist because apparently it stemmed from a practice where slave owners mock black slaves dancing with cakes. I don't want to use that term anymore Tulpa was used as the stand in for thoughtform iirc. (edited)

ok, that makes sense that it's racist

9:15 PM

cakewalk i mean

Cakewalk is a lot more straightforward

9:16 PM

Tulpa is harder

i agree with you but i come from a different angle lol.

9:16 PM

not because it's racist, but because it's silly (edited)

9:18 PM

so i wonder, if you are developing a strong emotional reaction to the word, how will you feel about other people using it?

A long kiss goodnight

We don't own the word tulpa. That's the key difference. The Tibetan Buddhists do

From what I've read the origin of the term is a lot more complicated than that.

9:21 PM

But even if it was a term originally coined by a tibetan monk... how does that make it rascist? I think people worry way too much about this sort of thing lately. If the west had created the term and the east started using it, would you call it rascist? Would they? Just something to think about.

9:21 PM

A word only has power if you give it to it. Otherwise its just a human created imaginary construct

9:22 PM

If I said "ughdskkk" it has no meaning. But if we give it one, we give it power. But only so long as we believe it has power (edited)

do NOT give power to ughdskkk

that logic is really dangerous i mean, the whole world (besides copyright/patent laws) basically revolves around stealing each other's ideas the english language is germanic... do we need to ask the germans for permission before adding a new word to the dictionary?

(although ugh was a game that was fun at the time)

sh

that logic is really dangerous i mean, the whole world (besides copyright/patent laws) basically revolves around stealing each other's ideas the english language is germanic... do we need to ask the germans for permission before adding a new word to the dictionary?

All human creation is built upon the foundation of what came before. No exceptions.

electricity is hereby limited to italy since that's where alessandro volta lived

Tulpa is now limited to tibet because thats where it originated. (edited)

9:23 PM

Thats exactly my point

if lightning strikes or static electricity builds outside of italy it MUST NOT be harvested

9:25 PM

i am, though, open to arguments about the extent of how much stuff counts as sacred vs allowable to be copied

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

do NOT give power to ughdskkk

Reductio ad absurdum

are you ancient italian?

9:27 PM

or... roman

9:27 PM

if your irl name is roman you just got doxxed

anyway i won't shun anyone for having any ethical beliefs about copying on a cultural/societal level... if you want to say 'only linguistic changes from the last X years should be shunned' that would probably be more palatable

Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya

But even if it was a term originally coined by a tibetan monk... how does that make it rascist? I think people worry way too much about this sort of thing lately. If the west had created the term and the east started using it, would you call it rascist? Would they? Just something to think about.

If a Tibetan monk came up with it, that would complicate things even more. Kazi Dawa Samdup was not a monk, he went to a school designed to forward British interests and he gave Alexandra David-Néel the term as a "close enough" to thoughtform. If the West came up with tulpa to talk about Tibetan Buddhism badly, that makes it even worse

A long kiss goodnight

We don't own the word tulpa. That's the key difference. The Tibetan Buddhists do

Ranger, I appreciate your sensitivity on this, but cultural appropriation does require that the culture that is being borrowed from is oppressed from practicing their culture, by the culture doing the borrowing. Cakewalk is a perfect example of this--I don't think anyone on this server would argue black people are totally free and equal to white people in America--but Tibetans don't experience oppression anywhere but India. They have schools taught in their native language, on history they wrote; I do think the use of the word tulpa is problematic, but it's not because of cultural appropriation. It's just an inappropriate term for what we do, and silly

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It means you didnt attempt to make any arguments to refute my arguments points, you instead made a joke about that attempted to make my entire argument sound absurd by oversimplfying or drawing focus to a single portion with a silly anecdote

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

are you ancient italian?

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wait why did you assume my job was to refute your arguments lol

sh

that logic is really dangerous i mean, the whole world (besides copyright/patent laws) basically revolves around stealing each other's ideas the english language is germanic... do we need to ask the germans for permission before adding a new word to the dictionary?

We're not being racist to Germany because English has Germanic roots. For instance, there's nothing racist about the word "angst"

A long kiss goodnight

If a Tibetan monk came up with it, that would complicate things even more. Kazi Dawa Samdup was not a monk, he went to a school designed to forward British interests and he gave Alexandra David-Néel the term as a "close enough" to thoughtform. If the West came up with tulpa to talk about Tibetan Buddhism badly, that makes it even worse

And, I would say, the history of the term being used by someone forwarding a colonial british interest is reason enough to drop it; even though British colonialism and oppression is over in Tibet now, and they are free to practice their culture as they wish, it is a problematic history

Tibet was actually pseudo invaded by the Brits back in 1910

let me make you cringe with two words: my tulpa

i'm going for a tibetan retreat into a monastery in a few weeks so i will ask actual tibetans if they are offended by use of the word (edited)

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9:31 PM

i will report back

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

let me make you cringe with two words: my tulpa

DON'T-

A long kiss goodnight

We're not being racist to Germany because English has Germanic roots. For instance, there's nothing racist about the word "angst"

what about french? something like over 20% of the english language's words are french in origin

MY

Reguile

Tibet was actually pseudo invaded by the Brits back in 1910

oh so it's fine to use it then since brits love to steal and claim everything

sh

what about french? something like over 20% of the english language's words are french in origin

latin, greek...

blanka

Ranger, I appreciate your sensitivity on this, but cultural appropriation does require that the culture that is being borrowed from is oppressed from practicing their culture, by the culture doing the borrowing. Cakewalk is a perfect example of this--I don't think anyone on this server would argue black people are totally free and equal to white people in America--but Tibetans don't experience oppression anywhere but India. They have schools taught in their native language, on history they wrote; I do think the use of the word tulpa is problematic, but it's not because of cultural appropriation. It's just an inappropriate term for what we do, and silly

Tibetans and by extension Asians are not treated as equals in the West. People are still racist to Asians. And Tibet is not only being suppressed by China, but China is literally killing them trying to squash their independence

9:34 PM

I also don't think I can argue this is cultural appropriation, rather us just having a racist understanding of Buddhism and spreading it around

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A long kiss goodnight

Tibetans and by extension Asians are not treated as equals in the West. People are still racist to Asians. And Tibet is not only being suppressed by China, but China is literally killing them trying to squash their independence

I think the evidence is against your second statement :) The tibetan government in exile is not a reliable source of information on tibetan independence.

A long kiss goodnight

I also don't think I can argue this is cultural appropriation, rather us just having a racist understanding of Buddhism and spreading it around

this would make more sense if people were actually saying they are doing buddist practice

9:34 PM

but they don't - so imo it's silly, not racist

I will definitely agree with your first, though; especially after 2020, and the racist fearmongering against asian people in the media

wait but what about white people actually practicing buddism

A long kiss goodnight

I also don't think I can argue this is cultural appropriation, rather us just having a racist understanding of Buddhism and spreading it around

I think this is a perfectly reasonable statement

blanka

I think the evidence is against your second statement :) The tibetan government in exile is not a reliable source of information on tibetan independence.

yeah

source: radio free asia

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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

but they don't - so imo it's silly, not racist

Sure, but why use a term with Tibetan roots when we don't have to?

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or something

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

i'm going for a tibetan retreat into a monastery in a few weeks so i will ask actual tibetans if they are offended by use of the word (edited)

I am planning on trying to reach out to the Dalai Lama's office over this, but I'm still formulating my letter

Why is everyone so hyper focused on race and culture isolationism these days... Humans frequently take inspiration from each other, and from other countries. Yes, there are horrible attocitied being commited in Tibet at present. But why would that mean we should isolate their culture and say "only they can use that stuff." By instead CELEBRATING their culture, and saying "hey, these guys are pretty smart and enlightened, I'd like to learn more about their practices", you not only validate them, but also bring attention to them, which inadvertently highlights whatever the current state of the culture is.

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Pleeb

I am planning on trying to reach out to the Dalai Lama's office over this, but I'm still formulating my letter

nice

Pleeb

I am planning on trying to reach out to the Dalai Lama's office over this, but I'm still formulating my letter

Oh? Do you want me to give you my few notes? You may have most of my resources and more, but I want to help if I can

Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya

Why is everyone so hyper focused on race and culture isolationism these days... Humans frequently take inspiration from each other, and from other countries. Yes, there are horrible attocitied being commited in Tibet at present. But why would that mean we should isolate their culture and say "only they can use that stuff." By instead CELEBRATING their culture, and saying "hey, these guys are pretty smart and enlightened, I'd like to learn more about their practices", you not only validate them, but also bring attention to them, which inadvertently highlights whatever the current state of the culture is.

i mean it would make sense, if tulpa actually meant what tibetan buddists were calling a སྤྲུལ

9:38 PM

in highschool i was obsessing with people calling wyverns "dragons" then, so many movies made dragons look like wyverns , even game of thrones hobbit ffs it's just silly to use an incorrect term

Tewi: The word tulpa has nothing to do with Tibet anymore, that's our stance. We stole the term from metaphysical circles to use for a less-metaphysical lookalike phenomenon (to the paranormal one). (edited)